SEPTEMBER 2007
CANADIAN DEMOCRACY -
"LETS SHARE OUR POLICE FORCES AND THEN WE'LL
FIXIT".- DOES THIS REMIND ANYBODY OF THE CURRENT
ASPECTS IN IRELAND?
canada: The single worst crime that can be committed in a constitutional democracy
I was going to do a long summary of all the evidence
pointing to the use of agents provocateurs at
Montebello, but the Quebec police beat me to it and
partly owned up. I say ‘partly’, because
they still refuse to admit they used agents
provocateurs. They went from denial, to
specific denial of the use of agents
provocateurs, to specific admission that they did in
fact use informants. Unfortunately, their admission
contains a lie, as they claim the police infiltrators
were discovered when they refused to throw
rocks at the police, a silly claim as the surrounding
protestors were old lefties and union leaders, who in
fact were alarmed by the fact that one of the fake
protestors had a rock. The barefaced police lie
provides the evidence of guilt I referred to yesterday,
that the infiltrators had to be agents provocateurs as
one of them was so obviously holding a rock near the
police.
The police made a big strategic mistake. They
thought they would be able to mingle with the younger
crowd, the people they would call ‘anarchists’,
lob the rock from this crowd, and provoke the police
attack which would lead to young people being maimed or
killed by the vicious police attack. Instead, the
old lefties and union leaders were at the head of the
crowd. When the police agents provocateurs
made it to the police line, they hesitated, as
a police attack would have resulted in a lot of
injured older people and union leaders, hardly the stuff
of the nightly news. The police hadn’t counted
on the successful counter-strategy of the protestors,
to put the people you can’t beat up next to the
police! The hesitation and indecision led directly
to the police being uncovered, at which point they fled
behind the police lines.
The use of agents provocateurs to provoke a
riot is, along with vote fraud, the single worst crime
that can be committed in a constitutional
democracy. The police, and the politicians who
instruct them, were attempting to deprive Canadians of
their constitutional right to protest and to
assemble. They were attempting to do so in such a
way as to denigrate the causes that the protestors stood
for. Even worse, through the use of provoked
violence, they were attempting to make people afraid to
protest anything in the future. This is the
beginnings of a police state.
www.xymphora.blogspot.com
COMMENT:Here's an English translation of that 23 Aug 2007
French-language press release at
http://
www.suretequebec.gouv.qc....0070823_02.html
link posted by Xymph.
---begin text----
In response to the video cut shown on Youtube.com
internet website, possibly implicating members of the
Sûreté du Québec during the Montebello summit, the
latter wishes to make certain clarifications. After
analysis of the content, in addition to having taken
cognizance of videos taken by police forces, [the
Sûreté] is now able to confirm that these individuals
are policemen, members of the Sûreté du Québec. These
last were mandated to find and identfy non-peaceful
demonstrators so as to avoid outbursts. The policemen
were identified by the demonstrators at the moment where
they refused to throw the projectiles [sic].
At no time did the police of the Sûreté du Québec act
as agents provocateurs or commit criminal acts. In
addition, it is not the policy of the police service nor
is it part of its strategies to act in this manner. At
all times, they fulfilled their mandate to maintain order
and safety.
-------end text----
Kudos to the demonstrators for their exceptionally cool
heads in this incipient confrontation; and to union
leader Dave Coles for his astuteness and persistence in
outing the slimy provocateurs.
Cal Dalton.
When you look at the fairly elderly peace activists, I
have an interesting association in mind. It's about the
notion of democracy arising out of the Protestant
reformation. You can see that these are the sorts of
people who run things at the grassroots level, something
which is progressively harder for Americans to do,
outside of New England villages where town meeting can be
the form of government.
Recently in Massachusetts, after the clergy pedophile
scandal in which it became clear that the Catholic
hierarchy dealt with allegations of abuse by moving
around the priests to parishes ignorant of the
accusations, a group formed called "Voice of the
Faithful." They decided to withhold money to the
Cardinal's fund until he was canned. They also organized
across parish lines with a goal to both learning about
miscreant priests and to hiring pastors themselves. This
is what Protestants have already been doing for
centuries!
The reaction of the Catholic hierarchy from the Pope on
down was: "You aren't allowed to talk to other
parishes. You aren't allowed to organize across parish
lines and have any lay organizations able to confront us.
You are to obey."
Obedience vs. peaceful civil disobedience: this is the
crux of the matter. Authority vs. experience.
Force vs. reason.
The purpose of the provacateurs is to "prove"
the immaturity and violence of the "mob". So
those who (in the sixties) allowed themselves to be drawn
into violent confrontation reaped what systems we have
today. The looting and burning of the inner cities went
on and it did not help anyone. It set things back.
musings
It's Official: Quebec Police Admit Agents Provocateurs Were Undercover Officers
Posted 2007/08/23 | By: Ryan McGreal
CBC has the scoop:
Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que.
However, the police force denied allegations its undercover officers were there on Monday to provoke the crowd and instigate violence.
Nonsense. The video footage is quite unambiguous about what the agents were up to: they were trying to incite violence so the police could crack down on the protesters with justification.
The Surete de Quebec press release noted, "It is not in the police force's policies, nor in its strategies, to act in that manner."
That certainly ought to be the case, of course; that the police clearly did so anyway suggests they were taking sides in the political conflict rather than simply upholding the law.