FEBRUARY-MARCH 2008
A short correspondence on a new comic conspiracy theory
From: Ram Narayanan
http://www.american
AMERICAN THINKER, SEPTEMBER 4, 2007
Oh those Jews!
Thomas Lifson
Just when you thought conspiracy theories couldn't get any weirder, along comes one that reaches new comic heights. Except, of course, that there are people who take the lunacy very seriously. For example, the rulers of Iran.
The holocaust denial conference in Tehran featured some bizarre presentations, but news has just reached me of one so over the top that it just begs to be shared with our readers: Jews secretly rule India!
An abstract of the paper presented by V.T. Rajshekar to the conference in Iran is found here (scroll down past other anti-Semitic articles on how Jews also control America [ho-hum]).
1. The world knows a lot about the Holocaust, though it is very much exaggerated if not a bundle of lies. But what the world does not know is about the more deadly and the more ancient 3,000-year-old Holocaust created by the "Jews of India" who have kept it a top secret buried under mountains of lies called Gandhian non-violence, justice and truth.
2. As representative of the slaves of India, called the Black Untouchables forming 20% of its 1,200 million population, and the worst victims of its religion called Hinduism, we want to reveal some best kept secrets of the "Jews of India.
3. India is ruled by Brahmins who are just 3% of its population. Similarly, America is controlled by its 3% Jews. Both the Jews and Brahmins ethnically belong to the same stock, originated from the same area in Middle East and both have the same genetic characteristics. That is why we called them the "Jews of India".
4. The world knows nothing of this most horrendous and the longest lasting humanitarian disaster they created in India. History says the Brahmins came to India over 3,000 years ago, destroyed our glorious Indus Valley Civilisation, then killed Budhism and systematically enslaved the indigenous people. Ever since they entered India, they have been ruling us, perpetrating the worst kind of violence against its people. So much so India is struggling as a Third World country even after 60 years of "independence".
5. The world's most populous country after China has become the tail of America, by systematically fighting and killing Muslims (20%), Christians (2.5%) and Sikhs and persecuting its Untouchables, Tribals and Backward Castes - thereby converting India into the world's most violent country.
6. Surprisingly all these crimes of the "Jews of India" are totally suppressed by the media they control and their religion of Hinduism, the other name for Brahminism, which itself acts as opium to drug the suffering victims to sleep. If the Palestinians are victims of violence of Jews, we the Black Untouchables are victims of nonviolence of the "Jews of India".
7. Hence the "Jews of India", who are now in full collaboration with the Jews and their Zionist Israel, are more dangerous than the Jews. The world must wake up to this deadliest enemy in disguise and take steps to save India.
8. What should come as the greatest shock to Middle East is the Jews who control the US economy are deliberately squeezing America by killing the dollar and then preparing to shift their entire capital to India by linking up with the "Jews of India" to control the Middle East and its oil and further enslave India. And also tackle China.
From Come Carpentier:
Jokes aside, there is serious historical and even genetic research, in India and in the West tending to support the theory that the ancestors of the Hebrews may have come from India and that Abram-Abraham was a Brahmin...There were, between the 3nd and the 1st millenium BC, various migrations from South Asia into the Near East and Europe, as is now accepted by scholars (i.e. Kassites, Mitannians, Yazidees etc...).
This is in fact contradicts the western "Aryan invasion" theory which describes the Brahmins as invaders from somewhere in the North West, though no proof has been found to support this long-standing hypothesis.
Obviously, the idea that India is ruled by invading Brahmins is a fantasy propagated by some Dalit and "Dravidian" race theorists and social activists but one must know how to separate fact from fiction. However there is nothing bizarre in the possibility of a kinship between Jews and certain Indian communities and one has to be blind to dismiss the evidence of overwhelming Jewish influence in the US, openly acknowledged by some of America's leading Academics (Walt, Mearsheamer etc...Even Chomsky of late). Major US newspapers such as the Boston Globe and the Christian Science Monitor have admitted as much in recent editorials.
CCG
From: Ashok Chowgule
Let us take what Come-ji has written a little further. And perhaps I am being polemic, for which I seek your indulgence.
First on the "Aryan invasion". He is right when he says that there is no support for this theory. However, it is not only westerners who found it convenience to propagate the theory, but also many in India. And in each case, the drive to do so was based on ideology and not on science.
However, discarding the invasion has not made them question the basic thesis that outsiders came to dominate the indigenous people. So although the invasion has been substituted with peaceful migration, the ultimate effect was the same. So, in effect, the peaceful migration was also a form of invasion, but without weapons. What is also to be recognised is that the migrants were supposed to be nomadic people, who in a matter of some 200 years transformed themselves into a highly literate group, evolving a sublime philosophy in their new land. This is something that their nomadic relations, who stopped off on the way from Central Asia to India to settle in places like Iran, were not able to do.
But this is not the main point of my polemical message.
Let us accept Come-ji's contention that the there is an overwhelming Jewish influence in many sectors of the American society. It is my understanding that, not so far back as the late 19th century, the Jews were treated perhaps not as a second class citizens in the lands they were forced to migrate, but definitely as ones not equal to the dominant Christian society. If this is indeed correct, then we must admire them for having achieved so much in such a short period of time! Not envy them.
Furthermore, when Come-ji says ("...there is nothing bizarre in the possibility of a kinship between Jews and certain Indian communities"), he is implying that the way the Jews have dominated the American society, the Brahmins did the same here in India. If that is his contention, I would like to profoundly disagree with him.
Namaste. Ashok Chowgule
From Come Carpentier
Pointing to the historical possibility of an ethnic/cultural connection between India and the original Hebrews (who were not yet "Jews" as Jews are, properly speaking, members of the Tribe of Judah and later Hebraic subjects of the Kingdom of Judah) in no way implying that I am establishing a political analogy between Jews today and any caste or community in India, whether Brahmin, Rajput or any other! I did not write anything to imply this. Therefore there is no substantive disagreement between when you Ashokji say and what I contend.
The way in which Jews built their power base in the American financial and then cultural and political spheres has been well documented by various American Historians. It is a process extending over decades since the late 19th century which includes the foundation of the Federal Reserve Board by agents of the great Rothschild and Warburg European dynasties (Schiff, Kuhn, Loeb etc...), the consolidation of the Hollywood industry under Jewish-led studios etc...This is not tantamount to making a value judgment on what happened. We can admire the ability of a minority to achieve predominance over a majority or decry that as undemocratic. Hitler or Stalin may be admired as men who rose from obscurity to become absolute leaders of powerful parties/nations or we may criticise their actions. In the same vein, we may objectively note that the growing Zionist influence in the USA has not been beneficial to that country in the last several years, judging by their mounting financial, industrial, military, moral and ethical crisis!
CCG
From Ashok Chowgule
I think Come-ji is beating around the bush. Let him state clearly which group in India is aligned with the Jews to dominate the world to the disadvantage of every other group. If he says that he had no intention to imply such a link, then surely his statement (("...there is nothing bizarre in the possibility of a kinship between Jews and certain Indian communities") is completely uncalled for.
Namaste. Ashok Chowgule
From N.S. Rajaram
First, I must point out that it makes little scientific sense to attribute geneteic traits to man-made classifications like caste and religion. Otherwise, you would find Catholic genes, Protestant genes and even Mormon genes in Salt Lake City, Utah, where this idea seems to have originated in recent times.
People change religion all the time without changing their genetic characteristics. Even castes change. For example, I am supposed to be a Brahmin but my ancestors some generations back were not. My great-grandmother was Portuguese.
We should not mix up relatively recent migrations like those of Persians to India with the advent of Islam or of Indians today in the U.S. and U.K. with prehistoric migrations which gave us 'Founder Groups.' These were invariably small groups that retained their identity, if at all by isolation and 'genetic drift'. It is too early to know if the Indians in the U.S. will become a Founder Group or become absorbed. The Vikings who settled in North America (Newfoundland) did not. They perished in the hostile environment.
When we go to prehistoric times, geneticists generally agree that all the humans living today are descended from Africans, with our ancestry going no more than 70,000 years outside Africa. Further, all non-African humans today seem to be descended from a relatively small South Asian group of a few thousand perhaps 50,000 years ago. (These dates are approximate and disputed.)
In those days the world was very sparsely populated, with the population down perhaps to 10,000 humans outside Africa, mostly in South Asia following what is known as the Toba Explosion some 50,000 years ago that all but wiped out human populations.
This was during the Pleistocene or the most recent Ice Age. During that period, migrant populations defined and created newly populated lands like India, West Asia and Europe because there were no people there (other than Neanderthals who soon became extinct) to absorb them.
The end of the Ice Age gave rise to the warm (inter-glacial) period called the Holocene that we are now living in. This has allowed very large population growths. Migrations for the most part have been to already well populated regions and small in numbers relative to existing populations. So there may have been cultural and political changes (like during European colonialism) without much genetic change. This is what genetic research shows.
All this is subject to change, but we can be reasonably sure that Kassites 3000 years ago (more like 4000 years) from India to Babylon, or Parsis 1200 years ago migrated without seriously changing the genetic composition of existing populations. So my friend Come Carpentier may be right in a broad sense, but the numbers would have been too insignificant to make up whole populations. Kassites were more likely a ruling elite that soon came to be absorbed into the existing populations.
We don't know what is meant by Hebrews- followers of Abraham and Moses or a biological group. Before we make claims in the name of science we should make our definitions absolutely precise.
We must first recognize the dramatically different conditions prevailing during the Pleistocene and the Holocene.
Nonetheless, the relationship between history and natural history (including genetics) is a fascinating area which we are only beginning to learn. We shouldn't rush to conclusions, otherwise it will be the Aryan myth fiasco over again.
As for V.T. Rajashekar's
'scholarship'
Rajashekar was probably trying to
curry favor with the Iranians and make some money on the
side. He had to project the Hindus, Brahmins in
particular as crypto Jews because Indians are well
regarded in
N.S. Rajaram
From Come Carpentier
Dear Shri Rajaram,
I wish to thank you for providing this useful and comprehensive summary which puts the question back on the historical rail and above the ideological surmises that have no place in it.
Just one or two quick points. Some
of the migrations from South Asia to
The Jews are a very complex genetic
case. Some researchers have been unable to find any
genetic difference between the Sephardi component and
their Palestinian Arab neighbours and believe that the
Mosaic faith (itself a composite of various
middle-eastern traditions) was brought (probably from
The fact that
CCG
From: Ashok Chowgule
In context of the original thread, I am enclosing an article on Shri VT Rajashekar. As a matter of additional information, some 15/20 years ago, Shri Rajashekar has authored a book "Brahminism - father of fascism, Nazism and Zionism". This had been published prior to the article in Washington Post that is reference to below. It also means that the correct conclusion that one would arrive at is that the Jews are helping the Brahmins to dominate the world, and not the other way round!
I had asked my cousin, who resides
in
My counsin read the book, and was so amused by it, that he had the Brahmins in his office to read it, before sending a copy to me in Mumbai.
Happy reading.
Namaste. Ashok Chowgule
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The Brahmin and the Jew
Author: Ramesh N. Rao Publication: ReligionAndSpiritua
The Rediff Interview/Dr Kancha Ilaiah
'Brahmins do not have right to
call themselves Indians'